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India behind most terror in Pakistan
After India started bullying Pakistan again, I must say Thank You to our Interior Minister – Rehman Malik – for finally coming out in public and accusing India for all the terrorism business in Pakistan. But I would like to ask you again, what took you so long to speak up?
Malik, in his response to India, seemed irked and irritated and threatened India that our calls for talks must not be taken as a weakness as Pakistan is a nuclear power. (Please note, it is the Rehman Malik regime that is hell bent upon supporting US designs to roll-back our nuclear programme).
Allow me to quote a few of his sentences:
‘We have solid evidence that not only in Balochistan but India is involved in almost every terrorist activity in Pakistan’
And
Mr Chadambharam should first take care of his own country and then blame Pakistan. Don’t threaten us. We can give better ones to you.
And also
If we talk about composite dialogue, they (India) should not consider it our weakness at all, We are a nuclear state and not so weak. We better know how to retaliate.
With all the hatred that the Pakistani people have for this man, we as a compassionate nation will not hesitate in appreciating these bold statements from Mr. Malik.
Or may be it is the treatment meted out to him at the GHQ last week and by the stone-pelting of students after the Islamic University Islamabad blast that may have compelled the minister in issuing patriotic statements such as these to gain some support.
We, however, would still sincerely hope that Rehman Malik resigns from his position as interior minister for failing to control the law and order situation in Pakistan and, on a very fair note, we would have loved these statements coming from the Foreign minister, Prime Minister or the President of Pakistan. Given how in-coherent this government has been, it would not be surprising if Asif Ali Zardari comes out claiming India to be a brotherly country 
But yes! It feels great to hear what we have all been saying from a senior minister.
References:
[ 1] Dawn.com: http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-library/dawn/news/pakistan/13+we+are+aware+of+indian+involvement+in+balochistan-za-02
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@Dhananjay
Funny country at least not a mockery of ideals.
India needs to look how their leaders lied in UN after 1948 defeat in Kashmir when Nehru went to UN for help and then India dodged the world by promising a plebiscite in Kashmir (Shows Nehru and India both lied).No justice provided yet to Samjotha Express Martyrs from Pakistan (even though Indian investigations show the involvement of an Indian colonel linked with RSS did this) so after all this how can we trust Mumbai wasn’t done by India.
There can be multiple reasons:
1) Today’s world is an open market of people you can buy,abduct any person for any cause.
2) There are networks of militant groups all over the world linked with each other and India after committing so many crimes with minorities and majority (if you count lower caste hindus) can expect a blow back.
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@ Faisal -
I wonder whether you have even read the resolution on plebiscite in Kashmir. Here is the link: http://www.kashmiri-cc.ca/un/sc21apr48.htmIt very clearly talks about “the withdrawal of tribesmen and Pakistani nationals not normally resident therein who have entered the State for the purposes of fighting, and to prevent any intrusion into the State of such elements and any furnishing of material aid to those fighting in the State.”
Only when the above is established to the satisfaction of the UN Commission, should India withdraw its own forces from J&K and then conduct the plebiscite.
And the whole world knows about the withdrawal or the lack of it by tribesmen and Pakistani elements.
By the way, the last I knew the probe into the Samjhauta Express incident was still on and there was atleast one Pakistani national (Arif Qasmani of Karachi) whose assets were frozen by the US Treasury Department for involvement in the same.
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@Dhananjay
i think u need to read da statement again.
the withdrawl of tribesmen was done in 1948 (no waziris so india shud ve acted on its promise decades ago but it was a deception by nehru and team).
but if u say kashmiris shud also abandon da kashmir den india will conduct plebiscite then it will be another story (btw india is continuously putting in hindu pundits in the valley from all over india).
just look at the preamble which shows india itself went into un council and now indians are finding excuses to get away from their promises:
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Having considered the complaint of the Government of India concerning the dispute over the State of Jammu and Kashmir, having heard the representative of India in support of that complaint and the reply and counter complaints of the representative of Pakistan,Being strongly of opinion that the early restoration of peace and order in Jammu and Kashmir in essential and that India and Pakistan should do their utmost to bring about cessation of all fighting,
Noting with satisfaction that both India and Pakistan desire that the question of the accession of Jammu and Kashmir to India or Pakistan would be decided through the democratic method of a free and impartial plebiscite,
Considering that the continuation of the dispute is likely to endanger international peace and security,
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For samjutha the latest i ve read is in press trust of india which says fbi is investigating Bharatiya Janata Yuva Morcha’s role in the blasts.
http://www.ptinews.com/news/338185_Samjhauta-Express-blast–CBI-grills-BJYM-leader
Plus what about colonel paruhit i hope he is not from lashkar e taiyeba.
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The last the entire world knew, there was something called Pakistan occupied Kashmir (PoK) and yet, you have the audacity to claim that all the tribal warriors have withdrawn. Wow! Thank you very much.
I dont deny the fact that there have been major mistakes committed by both the countries. How do you want it to be resolved?
By the way, my original post still stays. If Rehman Malik has the proof, then let him speak up. Or, he just needs to shut his mouth.
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@Dhananjay
wow i hope u read da history dat it was a war in 48 oook and india first launched troops in Pakistani kashmir and fight started tribesmen were dere to defend da country . read some good history genius!
recent kashmiri struggle is by kashmiris and is indigenous but whiners cant see the truth.
“I just saw this line in Faisal’s post, “india is continuously putting in hindu pundits in the valley from all over india.”
Ever cared to check the population of Kashmiri pundits over the last twenty years, genius?”Ever cared to see wots being done by ur ‘BRAHMAN IMPERIALISTS’
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/27/world/asia/27iht-27kashmir.14053613.html
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@Dhananjay
if indians think most of the kashmiris want to be with india then it should be good for you to conduct a plebiscite as Nehru promised (if not deceived the world).
terrorists ??? if u mean local population is terrorist then its another matter otherwise there aren’t any and the biggest proof is that media from all over the world can go to Azad Kashmir but its very hard to go in Indian Occupied Kashmir because of indian laws.
Azad kashmir has a separate kashmiri president,prime minister and a separate government.
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@ Faisal -
The following lines about ‘media freedom’ is from the UNHCR website:
“The Pakistani government uses the constitution and other laws to curb freedom of speech on a variety of subjects, including the status of Kashmir and incidents of sectarian violence. Media owners cannot publish newspapers and other periodicals in Azad Kashmir without permission from the Kashmir Council and the Ministry of Kashmir Affairs, and publications with a pro-independence slant are unlikely to receive such permission.”
http://www.unhcr.org/refworld/country,,FREEHOU,,PAK,,4a6452aa11,0.html
Enjoy!!!
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Now lets see what the same same UNHCR website talks about Jammu & Kashmir:
“Primarily because of pressure from militants, conditions for the media remain difficult, and many journalists practice some level of self-censorship. Militant groups regularly threaten and sometimes kidnap, torture, or kill journalists. Journalists are also occasionally harassed or detained by the authorities. Photojournalist Maqbool Sahil was released in 2008 after four years in detention under the Public Safety Act, despite repeated court decisions calling for his release while in detention.
Though it is generally not used, India’s 1971 Newspapers Incitements to Offenses Act (in effect only in Jammu and Kashmir) gives district magistrates the authority to censor publications in certain circumstances. Pressure to self-censor has been reported at smaller media outlets that rely on state government advertising for the majority of their revenue. Despite these restrictions, newspapers report on controversial issues such as alleged human rights abuses by security forces. The authorities generally allow foreign journalists to travel freely, meet regularly with separatist leaders, and file reports on a range of issues, including government abuses. The curfew imposed by the government in August prevented the publication of several local and regional newspapers, and 13 journalists were beaten when they tried to get to work despite the curfew. A camera-man was killed by security forces while covering a protest in the same month. Officials banned local news during the crisis.”
http://www.unhcr.org/refworld/country,,,,IND,4562d8cf2,4a6452aa2d,0.html
Negatives as well as positives. Just like how every other country in the world would be.
Enjoy!!!
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@ Faisal -
Just in case, you didnt know, the 2009 edition of ‘Freedom in the World’ classifies Jammu & Kashmir as ‘Partly Free’, whereas it classifies PoK as ‘Not Free’. This classification is done on the basis of two broad factors: Political Rights and Civil Liberties.
All this must surely be sounding like a Hindu-Zionist conspiracy to you, right?
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@Dhananjay
I think you are forgetting that media specially after 2005 after earthquake covered the areas in great details.
If you think conditions are good then plebiscite should be easy but India doesn’t do this because they know their position and reality.
read how free the media is when it comes to exposing the reality:
http://www.deccanherald.com/content/27960/hc-bans-media-coverage-shopian.html
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@Dhananjay
Civil society in Pakistan by large is liberal enough to say that even pro-independence (who don’t want to go with Pakistan or India) should be listened and it was proved when Yasin Malik visited Pakistan and gave interviews in the media but in India only few have the guts for this.
When I say plebiscite or right of self determination it means right to vote for India,Pakistan or independence from both.
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@ Faisal -
That Deccan Herald article you linked to is dated September 30.
Now, how about this…
The same J&K High Court bench clarifying on the 2nd of October that its 7-page report contained nothing about any media ban.http://www.zeenews.com/news567832.html
http://www.tribuneindia.com/2009/20091003/j&k.htm
http://www.deccanchronicle.com/national/cbi-file-report-oct-13-hc-924Chew on that!
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@ Dhananjay
Your comment included 3 Links which, to the system, appeared to be ‘spam’. I have allowed your comment to pass through. Had your comment been subject to moderation, several comments above would have been deleted or not allowed to appear at all.
I have always appreciated you as the ‘ONLY’ Indian who does not bad-mouth him/herself here. You would be amazed to see all the comments I have in my records from Indians using highly abusive language about Pakistan and me, personally.
I am following your debate with Faisal and I hope both sides (India and Pakistan) would someday realize that if the blame-game keeps building, we’re headed for a nuclear war for sure. These comments by Rehman Malik come after constant Indian accusations without proof and thus were worth mentioning on this blog.
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@ Dhananjay
one thing is for sure the debates will go on and on unless with the resolution of core disputes and the most important is Kashmir.
“I am sure a necessary condition for a plebiscite would be the ‘temporary removal’ of the ‘Government’ in Pok or what you call, Azad Kashmir. So, when is that happening?”
My dear it was india which initiated this so india should and must initiate the process of demilitarization and temporary removal of the government.
At least we have not made them a province and AJK has been given a status of a separate dominion having separate PM,President and Supreme court.
At least a start has been take by Pakistan which they were not obliged to because they were not the ones to promise in front of the world.
The problem here is most of the time it is taken as an Indo-Pak issue and so we only think of bilateral measures which is delaying the justice with real stake holders “The Kashmiri People”. -
Er, can someone tell me who is Pakistan to give PoK or ‘Azad Kashmir’ the status of a separate dominion? And its quite rich of you to quote the UN plebisicte resolution and then, also say that India should initiate the process of demilitarization. Read that UN resolution and then speak/write. Blech!
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Ask people of the valley why they also call it Azad Kashmir (again you will need plebiscite for that
whether they want it or not).I have read it , the tribesmen of waziristan left the area in 1948(if doubts are there then India should request to place international observers and conduct plebiscite in their presence) as war ended in 1948.
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Now india needs to follow what the resolution says:
2B- The Government of India should:
Make known that the withdrawal is taking place in stages and announce the completion of each stage;———————————-
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@ Faisal -
You really need to read the UN resolution once again. It very clearly states that the UN Committee needs to be satisfied that the tribal warriors and other Pakistani nationals not ordinarily resident in Kashmir have left the state before India withdraws its troops.
Lines like “I have read that…”, etc. means absolutely nothing.
A link for you to read and get some perspective:
http://www.thehindu.com/2006/08/15/stories/2006081503691000.htm
So, essentially all election candidates in PoK have to necessarily sign a pledge of ‘loyalty’ towards Pakistan. Hahaha! And someone here was talking about free media, democracy, separate government, separate dominion, etc.
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From the same Kashmir Herald link above…
“The Azad Jammu and Kashmir Interim Constitution Act, 1974 (Act VIII of 1974) in its preamble exposes more than it could enhance the credibility of the political set up domiciled at Muzaffarabad. Section 4 (7) (2) which reads as ˜No person or political party in Azad Kashmir shall be permitted to propagate against, or take part in activities prejudicial or detrimental to, the ideology of the State’s accession to Pakistan.”
Wow! So much for civil liberties and political rights.
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@Dhananjay
“It very clearly states that the UN Committee needs to be satisfied that the tribal warriors and other Pakistani nationals not ordinarily resident in Kashmir have left the state before India withdraws its troops.”Well there is no limit to delay things if you want to.
As i told tribesmen arent there , read history which tribes were fighting and were are they now.
If you consider AJK locals as tribes men from waziristan its your lack of information and biased approach.
probably u r forgetting that legislative assembly in Kashmir is independent as it is an independent dominion unlike indian occupied which is given a provincial status.
its really ridiculous dat indians and india always find excuses to come out of the promises dai made on their own request WOW!
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@Dhananjay
this denial from rights actually made the Muslims to decide to get a separate homeland.
“On August 15, India’s independence day, Lal Chowk, the nerve centre of Srinagar, was taken over by thousands of people who hoisted the Pakistani flag and wished each other “happy belated independence day” (Pakistan celebrates independence on August 14) and “happy slavery day”. Humour obviously, has survived India’s many torture centres and Abu Ghraibs in Kashmir.”
Arundhati Roy in Guardian -
“legislative assembly in Kashmir is independent…”
The most laughable thing you have written in this entire debate. I mean, do you even know that the so-called ‘legislative assembly’ does not have any say in matters of defence, forgeign affairs and even currency.
Are you even serious when you claim that the matter of plebiscite should be decided on the basis of lines like “i have read that…”? Gosh!
As I have asked you earlier, if we follow the clearcut steps laid down in the resolution, it would mean that the ‘legislative assembly’ of PoK will have to be dissolved. When is that happening? A simple, straight answer will do. If you dont wish to answer or just want to keep on running around with your arguments, then just say so.
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@ Faisal -
I dont deny the fact that a plebiscite is the best solution. But for that to happen, there are various conditions to be satisfied. And one must be an ostrich-with-its-head-buried-in-the-sand to claim that these conditions were satisfied back in 1948 itself. If it was so, then why are matters of defence and foreign affairs in PoK being handled by the “AJ&K Council” headed by the Pakistan Prime Minister? And why are parties that dont sign on the dotted lines of “PoK’s accession to Pakistan” not allowed to stand for elections?
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@Dhananjay
At least you agreed on the plebiscite.
I hope Indian govt will also realize it soon.
“he most laughable thing you have written in this entire debate. I mean, do you even know that the so-called ‘legislative assembly’ does not have any say in matters of defence, forgeign affairs and even currency.
Are you even serious when you claim that the matter of plebiscite should be decided on the basis of lines like “i have read that…”? Gosh!
As I have asked you earlier, if we follow the clearcut steps laid down in the resolution, it would mean that the ‘legislative assembly’ of PoK will have to be dissolved.”
Well legislators are doing legislation in their independent status.
yes, they dont ve their defence,currency and foreign affairs as their status is still not clear because of the delay in plebiscite and they dont have their own resources.
“And one must be an ostrich-with-its-head-buried-in-the-sand to claim that these conditions were satisfied back in 1948 itself. If it was so, then why are matters of defence and foreign affairs in PoK being handled by the “AJ&K Council” headed by the Pakistan Prime Minister?”
these issues will be resolved as soon as the status is cleared.
BTW AJK people never demanded this if they demand i will support but again for that we need plebiscite.All the things actually sum up to what the people want and to know it you need to give them the right of self determination.
And India keeps the approach of running away from it by giving lame excuses then we will not reach anywhere.
As far as the removal of forces and government .
obviously once the schedule of plebiscite is announced this will be done or some other arrangement under neutral parties has to be made to make the plebiscite independent. -
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you’re a funny guy ‘dhananjay’…
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It won’t be surprising even if Malik claims to be misquoted in the newspapers tomorrow