The right way out: Putting a full-stop to this political crisis!
You have all been witness to an absolute chaotic situation that our nation has been grappling with ever since the imposition of emergency on November the 3rd last year. I am not here to justify the steps taken by the President, nor do I favor those who exploited the wrong decision. I speak on neutral grounds, as a patriotic nationalist, a Pakistani who wants an end to this circus!
I will discuss a few things which have irked every sane and ‘concerned’ individual in Pakistan before I discuss how the situation should have been and should be dealt with.
1) Dignity and Sovereignty:
When we are attacked. Our government and military should have responded immediately, with as much force as we were attacked with. The false notion of ‘friendly-fire’ would have been exposed – as rightly suggested by many analysts – if the coalition forces struck back.
To those who are at the helm of affairs: you can sell out your dignity and self-respect, do NOT try to undermine our dignity and self-respect as a nation, that will not be tolerated.
The people of Pakistan deeply condemn the violation of our borders and we will NOT let anyone play with our integrity, dignity and sovereignty!
2) Dragging the judges’ issue:
We are all, ALL sick and tired of this freedom of judiciary (so-called) uprising. Put an end to it. This is to both – the government and those who are apparently standing up for it. We have more issues at hand. We are facing an absolute collapse of a system here and this just doesn’t stop!
The drama is over, we all know that this movement is now being used as an eye-wash ONLY! The nation which stood behind these lawyers initially has withdrawn its support – why? Because they have now gone insane and are stomping here and there having no clue of what they’re doing and what results they will achieve.
3) Food crisis:
Done filling your pockets ‘eh? Now would you please turn your attention to the basics of food and electricity for the common man?
But no, you wouldn’t have seen the long long queues outside utility stores – where people in thousands gather for some cheap flour! Land cruisers and your palaces are built far off from such places!
Do something about it. These people who have put you to the throne can also pull you off – if the norms of democracy are truly respected in this country over the coming months or years!
4) Lack of direction and leadership:
What do you expect of a nation led by a puppet Prime Minister and a President who is silently observing chaos unfold. We have no sense of direction, no leadership, no goals! We need some. NOW!
With all that said, what are we to expect in the coming days?
The right solution, right now is for someone strong to step in! I would definitely love to see the military step in to control this aggravating situation. President Musharraf too should take a stand, for he has now gained popularity again amongst the masses thanks to the endless political jugglery which we have all been witness to!
We, as a nation have been betrayed enough! I salute the President of this country, who despite having made mistakes, gave this nation the gift of free, fair and transparent elections for the first time. But it is now clear that the system has serious flaws. Our election process needs to be reviewed and revived to make sure the best of the best make it to the hall where decisions of national interest and importance are made. The seats in the National assembly should be occupied by the learned, the able and by those who LOVE this country!
For now, I would reiterate… SOMEONE HAS TO STEP IN – NOW!
This entry was posted by Ammar on June 29, 2008 at 6:31 pm, and is filed under General, My thoughts, Pakistan. Follow any responses to this post through RSS 2.0.You can leave a response or trackback from your own site.
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#6 written by Abdul Basit 3 years ago
2 wrongs doesn’t make it right!
Friendly fire eh? do they even care if a Pakistani soldier dies?…. was this ever possible before Mussharraf era? Zardari/Sharif are bunch of crappy politicians cum liars…. so dot depend on them… but I want to ponder on one thing…this militancy.. suicide attacks…emergence of Baitullah Masud /Lal Masjid mass murder werent our problem before Mussharraf era… think about it…
What are we today as a nation ? … bunch of losers who pose to have a nuclear arsenal …and cant even reply back to an attack which killed our own soldiers by a so called friendly fire?
again … 2 wrongs doesn’t make it right…
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Yes, we certainly wouldn’t have had these attacks before Musharraf. Instead we would have been like Iraq today!
These people were roaming our land free and nothing was done about it. After 9/11, it became impossible to ignore. They had to be put a stop to or a stop would have been put to Pakistan.
About the soldier deaths, we can reply back to the so called friendly fire but we chose not to…
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Although I strongly suggest that we should have retaliated, but the new government showed its cowardice to the world!
This wasnt possible before the Musharraf era because the United States didn’t need to destroy us then. Now that they have fulled used Pakistan and find no reason for its existence in the region, we are facing such an aggressive stance against us!
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Now we can’t blame Musharraf or the government for timing of 9/11
It’s not easy to retaliate when either you’re weak or you’re wrong. When our government itself claims that we have the habitats of terrorists then who else should we blame? And aren’t these our own creation? We loved them in the previous war, some former Generals (Hameed Gul, prominently) took pride in creating them. So this was inevitable, had to open now or later.
The judges’ issue is pure politics. I want Iftikhar Chaudhry to accept his mistakes first before blaming others. Why doesn’t he apologise for taking the oath under PCO earlier and then supporting the emergency and the referendum? And those judges should also apologise for mishandling the case of Presidential elections. Didn’t they delay the most important case in country because of the marriage of one of the judge’s daughter?
Food Crisis! Stop blaming Shaukat Aziz, there wasn’t a crisis during his tenure. And then if we look closely who runs these mills and factories of agricultural industry? Most of them will be found sitting in the Parliament.
Pupper PM is an exaggeration. They used to call Shaukat Aziz a puppet, this is worse! And the lack of leadership is best displayed by Me. Zardari representing Pakistan at international level rather than the President, PM, Foreign Minister.
Someone should definitely step in, before its too late.
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#10 written by Abdul Basit 3 years ago
@ SAWJ …. Talibaans were at their best (strongest) from 1996-2001 … there was no “talibanization” in any part of the country….
@Ammar Faheem… How many attacks on Paki land were retaliated back in Muaharraf/Aziz era?
@Judges Issue.. Iftikhar Ch. wasn’t the one who started it.. it was the prev government who wanted him out due to the “missing person cases” he was proactively persuing. No doubt it has become a political issue now, but trust me the only thing that has ousted him was when musshy legality was challenged and he decided to act in a justful manner by deciding against the 3rd time army president cum dictator.
@ Mr. Aziz… Wheat export scandal, electricity crisis and steelmill fiasco were his present to this nation
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@ Connect2Pk.com:
There were no attacks of this nature during Musharraf’s era. What nature? A direct attack on the Pakistani military and a violation of our land/borders.
You’re being absolutely ridiculous with a few remarks you’re making. Musharraf wasn’t the one “missing” the people, it has been the security agencies working and doing what they think is best. Have you ever seen anything happen in this country without their nod? So it is only about looking for excuses to blame Musharraf.
And by the way, he is no angel, a human to say the least! Mistakes happen, but playing with the mistakes and amplifying them is an art our politicians know how to do best. His only fault is his middle-class background and straight-forward approach.
Shun the media, the cartoon channel GEO and READ, STUDY and ANALYZE what is actually going on and how millions of dollars are being pumped into Pakistan to destabilize it!
And by the way, The Taliban had openly declared to *wipe out* shia’s from Pakistan by 2003… somebody teach them of harmony, peace and unity?! Please?!
Regarding Shaukat Aziz, I feel he is responsible for all the trouble Musharraf is now in, including the Steel Mills fiasco – BUT – I spoke of the food crisis, and so did Anas. It is NOT his gift nor does he own the mills which have brought us to this point. Mill owners are – most of them – sitting in parliament today! Democracy haan?!
May Allah bless us All!
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Regarding Shaukat Aziz, read this:
http://www.riazhaq.com/2008/07/shaukat-azizs-economic-legacy.html
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#15 written by Abdul Basit 3 years ago
@ Ammar
Your source please regarding this comment..
“And by the way, The Taliban had openly declared to *wipe out* shia’s from Pakistan by 2003… somebody teach them of harmony, peace and unity?! Please?!”
Agencies bleh me! when CIA/FBI was allowed to infiltrate into local agencies interrogation, a cost of person(aged 19 to 67) being exported to Gitmo was from 5 lac rupees to 5 million dollars! What were the charges? What was there crime? Was there any evidence? Were the guilty? Now who allowed FBI/US CIA ? Mr. Musharraf!
Then regarding the attacks, i will surely post the news link of 11 or 12 direct attack on Pakistan soil by US/NATO drones and during Mushharraf/Shaukat era! in which not only the local women and children died but our army as well! If it didn’t make any news/hype regarding army casualties, doesn’t mean it didn’t happen!
I don’t watch Tv, so i don’t watch GEO, have you been to Peshawar/ Swabi after Sept 2005?, you think the operations by our army is killing all the militants only? Do you think that army/FC is fighting against the militants like an enemy? My friend the story over there is not what is put on media.. The army doesn’t want to fight there!
Ok now! this parliament is shit as it could be, but do you know that the previous chaurdries/shepaoes were also NAB ridden? So mill owner or land stealers they are no different!
@Shaukat Aziz his own party didn’t gave him a ticket for election 2008 and was exported back US
… so if he was such a genius, at least they would have tried to elect him(at least give a fight) and we wud have the best economist in our parliament. But once again how can a country having excess wheat ended up buying the same wheat twice the cost, sold only 3 month before, how could the previous government allow exports even before the first half of fiscal year!May Allah bless us all!
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This was aired on BBC, in an interview way back in 2000. And I would advise you to carefully study my articles and my approach. You do not need to go into the botheration of finding sources and informing here. I am already of the view that such attacks should be met with force, with similar attacks in return and if someone did not do it, it was not right.
But provocation when you’re not strong at home can be dangerous, rather suicidal! Back then, we were building an economy, now, we have what it takes to respond!
Again, nobody has been an angel, nobody is an angel, but the best right now is Musharraf for the way he has led the nation over the past 8 years. We have stumbled into chaos and anarchy since the day he has taken a back-footed stance, letting the so-called politicians come to power.
Regarding Aziz, you are contradicting what you said yourself. How will the feudal politicians allow someone else to rule them and give him a ticket from their own party? Don’t you know that they were all jealous of him but only supported him because of President Musharraf? Of course you do! Our economy is quickly breaking down, tell me why? Why did it not happen while he was in power?
How could someone force an artificial economic boom for eight strong years? Artificial stuff does not last for long!
And a piece of advice, using your business name for political discussions is not a very wise idea, you can put-off potential customers
Have a nice day!
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#17 written by Abdul Basit 3 years ago
@ Ammar .. My mistake ..was set in my cookies since i was posting for GnW with this nick…as for my potential customers, there aren’t any
free service!!!@ booming economy…
i think we all know what is was ..as mentioned in SawJs link….If it was such a strong economy? where is it now? poof!!.. gone in 3 months? but that is besides the point… this inflation wave has affected strong economies worldwide .. my only point was the wheat scandal when we made ourselves a laughing stock as a nation!http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7075026.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7293680.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4619422.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/6768667.stm
http://www.thenews.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=3945this took me like 5 mins googleing… will be posting more!
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#19 written by Zafar Bokhari 3 years ago
[This Comment appeared at AhmedQuraishi.com on the same article]
The reason Politicians are aginst Musharraf is because he belongs to Middle Class who has not looted the country and has served country honestly. Mistakes are also committed by him but matters have been blown out of proportions. Nawaz attacked SC, Had problems with two Presidents, two COASs, Two CJs, and many other. Nawaz has always been confrontational. No media brings this issue. ZA Bhutto broke Pakistan by not accepting Polish proposal in UN, destroyed economy by nationalizing industry when communism was dying, and his daughter & Zardari have Billions of dollars assets as loot from poor Pakistan. No jagirdar politician has ever created any economic plan, job, or direction. But media has NEVER talked against jagirdars. We need a revolution. I hope young Pakistanis will know the history of Bhottos and Sharifs. Its sad and Army has to demand its fair share in management like China. We can not leave 100% Pakistan in the hands of looters. Middle class media must be honest. It looks as if they are sold. Army should not accept 100% control role by politicians who have no vision. Rather this is the time that we abandon 60 years old British style democratic system which has always protected and promoted only rich, fuedals, corrupt, looters, and uneducated politicians. There is no place for educators, lawyers, and intellectuals in Pakistan\’s politics. Army must demand its share in managing the country to develop infrastructure and let small business in each district develop economy. It could still be democratic at district level but we need a strong authoritarian law that politicians should not talk against Army. Why they do not talk against corrupt politicians because of belonging to same clan. Zardari & Nawaz history is open and we must not give matters 100% in these hands. Now Sharifs are in Punjab.. What they have done for poor?? Is Roti, Bijli, Pani available??? They were talking big before elections. They did not deliver in the past and will not deliver now. We need to change the system.
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#20 written by Faheem 3 years ago
[This Comment appeared at AhmedQuraishi.com on the same article]
I tend to agree with the writer’s comments which are really basic and are of paramount importance. This also points towards the real problems which we are facing at the moment. Let us put this “Natak” into a closet for the time being and force these corrupt actors to go back to their rehersal as no drama is practiced on the stage in front of the spectators. Let them hone their talents in the art of destrying a country in the name of democracy and let them practice it in countries which are the propent of such reprehensible acts and see how succesful they will be in countries where their masters are sitting. Enough of this mockery of the democracy in the garb of loot, plunder and desecration of the national pride. What a shameful situation where we have let a lion to stand gaurd to a lamb. If nobody stands up then what? Only Allah knows. People with only Pakistani flags should come on the streets wearing their traditional dresses chanting “Save Pakistan”. No politics no party flags. Just do this much in big numbers in every town and every city. ONLY slogan should be “Pakistan Bachao”.
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@Abdul Basit:
The booming economy was there alright. The highest foreign reserves recorded in the history of Pakistan were right before November 2007. Now with a new government in power, that has done nothing since its formation except haggle over the stupid issue of the judges restoration, how do you expect foreign investors to come to the country and invest their money in such a volatile and unstable environment? There used to be 18 million shares traded in the stock market, now their are only 5 million. Capital is flying away from the country. Our foreign reserves are down to 11 billion from 16 billion dollars. All in these three bloody months! The Pakistani stock market was rated as the best performing stock market in the world.
And yes the most famous wheat issue! With a surplus amount of wheat available in the country, Shaukat Aziz though of exporting it and did. And it was the right thing to do. What else could have been done, stored it in a closet? Some time later, wheat went missing from the market. How? Who was behind it? Does it matter that the mill-owners are buddies of Nawaz Sharif or Mr. Sharif has shares in these mills. Nope! Mr. Sharif also owns three sugar mills, namely Ittefaq, Brothers and Ramzan.
And obviously, if there’s a shortage of wheat, it has to be imported and was done so but at a higher price. Do you really think that Shaukat Aziz would have been stupid enough to do this on purpose. If so, why in 2007? Why not before?
And what makes it mandatory to export only in the latter half of the fiscal year? Wouldn’t the wheat have gone bad if the govt had waited for six months before exporting it?
About the attacks on our soil, do you seriously think that channels like Geo are going to give up so easily on humiliating Musharraf and not report dead women and children in the tribal areas? If the media didn’t show the story, who did? And how did you come to know about it?
Indeed the attacks are cowardly and been taking place for a long time but they were always protested against. Do you expect Pakistan to go to war for this? A strong protest was always made by the government officials before but this time, Mr. Rehman Malik started downright negating it!
Your two close friends were abducted by the agencies? When? And what were their names?
If people were being exported to Gitmo for money, why only 667 people? If there are hundreds others, why don’t their families stand up and ask for them like the lady who came to beg Musharraf. He ordered an inquiry and her son was found in Afghanistan waging Jihad, back in 2007.
Shaukat Aziz was offered a ticket by the PML-Q but he declined.
You still haven’t answered my question: If these extremists weren’t there before the Musharraf era, who was killing all the Shia doctors in the 1990s? My mother gave up her profession because of this.
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#22 written by Abdul Basit 3 years ago
@ SAWJ
I strongly condemn killing any innocent person be it Shia or Sunni, doctor or a normal man, whoever did that were wrong and mad men! my only point is.. back then agencies used to play with shia/sunni riots, and controlling this was no doubt Mussharaff’s gift to us! But we saw a rise of another evil, the so called “extremism”! thousands have died! and it increased day by day.After new government’s initiative , it have slowed down.Today’s sad event was the 2nd one, first being the attack on Danish embassy. I personally feel Karachi much safer for the past few months.
Do you the shelf life of wheat/flour? How many times a harvest is cut and grinding in done in Pakistan?
Regarding the abductions and my friends this is not the right forum
, we can meet somewhere, have lunch and discuss it
, Ammar can you jump in and we could have a Hi-tea sorta program
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Mere bhai, extremism 1400 years se chali aa rahi hai!
It started right after the Prophet left this world, with the attack on his daughter’s house, peaked at Karbala and is still continuing.
Musharraf had two choices:
1) America se panga
2) Taliban se pangaThere was no in-between. And I believe he made a wise decision in siding with America at that time. Later on he did deny America access to AQ Khan, our nukes, etc. He refused to bow down to the pressure on weakening our relationship with China and Iran. And these are the reasons, I believe, why America has had him weakened.
If Musharraf had sided with the Taliban, we would have been in Iraq’s place today.
Do you seriously think that the Taliban are going to honor their commitment to a peace deal? They are just buying time to regroup and rearm.
How many Islamic movements are going to start in Pakistan? Baitullah Mehsood, Fazlullah, Maulana Ghazi, Mangal Bagh? How many do we want? How many are we going to allow to roam the land free, challenge the writ of the government and behead people at their fancy? Why should they be allowed to create a state within the state? And if we allow these people to get stronger day by day, we are going to have one hell of a civil war o our hands.
Are Afghanistan and America going to take kindly to these people’s statements of continuing their Jihad in Afghanistan? They are creating a security threat for Pakistan outside the country as well.
These people are like cancer for Pakistan, as I always say. Chemotherapy will definitely make the hair and nails fall off but in the end the body will survive and Pakistan will be the one to win in the end. If not, the cancer will spread throughout the body and kill it. You don’t make peace deals with cancer.
http://www.riazhaq.com/2008/07/pakistan-suicide-bombing-marks-first.html
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@SAWJ
its really a regretful to see our educated class being so extremist when it comes to sectarianism.
your comments on my other blog regarding peace tv ban etc shows that you dont have any room for others so are you any different from an uneducated extremist person and BTW Taliban movement is never against shias (They tried to have peace with IRAN for common enemy USA).AND thats what mush govt. did exploited ethnic and sectarian differences (converted diversity into clash).
and i said in my reply there “Need to know the sectarian belonging of Prophet (S.A.W)”.
@Ammar
need to reconsider your approach you have more potential then being a sectarian flag holder.
We are muslims and followers of One Allah and Quran and Ummah of Prophet (S.A.W)and as far as the economy :
1) the economic policy was based on financialization (look which sectors got boom :banking,stock exchange not backed by industry growth means a bubble was created and telecom consumer market resulted in short term inflow and longterm outflow of foreign currency).
2) production base (industrial and agricultural) both were damaged due to bone headed policies (electricity crisis,water policy,no imporovement in per acre production etc)
I wrote a post during emergency days on my personal and united4justice blog:
http://syedfaisal.wordpress.com/2007/11/10/real-threat-to-pakistan-the-mind-set-of-its-people/
and it seems(sadly) i was right then that the real threat to Pakistan is the mindset of its people!
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Pardon me Faisal, I am not a sectarian flag holder. I highlighted something unjust that was happening to our fellow Muslims and which exactly was the claim of the Taliban to wipe off that sect from Pakistan.
Taliban was a creation of the USA and Pakistan, how could you even think they could have peace with Iran? I’ll come back to comment here later.. I’m in a rush…
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@faisal: You mentioned that the banking and the commerce industry got the boom, right? So what? Atleast some industry got it, previously which industry got a boom before Musharraf? And look at the number of banks that have mushroomed across the country, as a result graduates from universities other than LUMS and IBA are in high demand as well. So a boom in commerce industry has created jobs, thousands (even more), is it bad?
You’re wrong about the short term inflow in telecom market, read about Wateen’s, Motorola’s and Orascom’s investment plans.
Now other industries which got a boom in the previous tenure include commerce and media. Look at the number of jobs in media, reporters, cameramen, technicians, writers, make-up artists, etc etc. Are these bad too? And the advertisement industry too.
Look at the jobs in telecom sector, I can give pretty accurate stats if you need
The credit does go to the Musharraf-Aziz duo. Now about these investments, I’m sure you’re aware of the reputation of Shaukat Aziz. Many people invested in Pakistan because of the brand name ‘Shaukat Aziz’, while they KNOW what Ishaq Dar did previously and his inabilities, which he again proved in a short time by gulping billions in reserve.
Now to others:
Musharraf did make mistakes, so what? Everyone does. Iftikhar Chaudhry did it when he took the PCO-1 oath (or was it not a mistake then?) Are we forgetting the mistakes of the politicians which they did? If we can forget those, then Musharraf’s mistakes are very small compared to them.
Now about AQ Khan. Musharraf did a favor to him and others to save Pakistan’s assets. Otherwise many others including AQ Khan would have been gone missing and no judge could’ve got them back!! Even our dearest ‘shaheed muhtarma’ who we so dearly love (after her death), was involved! Read “Goodbye Shehzadi” by Shyam Bhatia to find out how she traded nuclear secrets in her coat pockets to Korea.
I dont know about Taleban’s intentions to wipe out Shiites but keeping that aside we cannot support Taleban just because they’re anti-US (now). They are the ones because of whom we’re in this situation. Their defiance and confrontational strategies have got us in this deep trouble, not Musharraf. Aren’t they the ones who refused to hand over Osama bin Laden to US? I’m sure no one can advocate for bin Laden here. (A real SOB!! Can’t resist)
And other than that, we all know the truth about Taleban. They didn’t believe in women’s education. They destroyed all modern technological equipments and got Afghanistan to stone ages and instead of progressing the Muslims there, they got them in to extreme recession.
If the US wants some militants, what’s wrong in that? Taleban is their creation, they will naturally want them back to keep their secrets intact
Steel mills case is widely discussed here. The court didn’t blame Shaukat Aziz directly there. It was Iftikhar Chaudhry on the bench, had he no guts then? And it’s really not a big deal because that Stell Mill thing didn’t go through that time. So the court prevented it (bravo!), unlike the previous governments where things happened and no one even knew for years. Forgot the Mehran Bank scandals? Surrey Palace? Raiwind? Land in Saudi Arabia? Diamond Necklace? Drugs? BMWs? Helicopters? And what not!
Back to Shaukat Aziz again, whoever says that he is exported to USA is very short-sighted. He will stay and go wherever he gets an opportunity to earn, because he doesn’t have those mills and factories to feed his entire family on.
Those who say that the international situation is driving the prices crazy should know that this isn’t knew and this situation is prevalent for two years now but the government didn’t pass on the petrol prices increase to people for 18 months!!! And kept paying it themselves in form of subsidies, which the new government removed. This government even imposed taxes in telecom sector (from 10% to 21%), increased GST, and gas and petrol prices. So who was better? Shaukat Aziz had that acumen and mettle to tackle the international crisis in economy because he was so highly educated and had that experience of banking behind him unlike these goons! Talk logic!
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#28 written by Fahad 3 years ago
First I’d say that I completely agree with the writer’s comments on the 4 importnat issues he has highlighted. Having said that, it is also nice to see a healthy discussion going on here.
And like Mr. Anas said, based on statistics, basic logic and common sense, one can point out that it was the Musharraf Aziz duo which tackled the international economic pressure on pakistan in an excellent manner.
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@ faisal:
Taliban not against Shias? Are you kidding me? Who the heck was then responsible for killing 70,000 Moosvi Syed Shias in Qandahar? Syeds! What was their crime? That they were Shia?
You claim that I don’t have room for other people’s views but do you? You call me an extremist. Well let me tell you something. I tolerate a lot, if I stop doing so your life will become miserable.
But that is also going to hurt the feelings of my fellow Sunni bros, the people who don’t hurt my feelings and tolerate like me. People who tolerate men like Israr, Ghamdi and Zakir Naik when they make fun of the Prophet’s family. People who tolerate the audacity of channels like Peace TV which bring these men on air and spread misinformation in the guise of spreading peace and brotherhood.
Hurting the feelings of other sects while preaching the teachings of another does not spread love. And Zakir Naik does not look like the kind of idiot who wouldn’t know what will hurt the feelings of most sects or not.
Imam Husain (A.S.) is hailed widely as a hero among many Muslim sects and dismissing his Magnificent Sacrifice as a mere political battle will definitely anger most sects and it did. Hanafi, Barelvi, Shia, etc, alike condemn him.
Calling Yazid (L.A.) Razi Allah Ta’ala Anhu is akin to disgracing the title. Applying that to a man who was responsible for the slaughtering the Prophet’s family, ravaging Madinah and raping it’s women and bombarding the Ka’aba with fire, it looks more like an agenda to turn heroes to villains and vice versa.
Read your history first before trusting people.
Musharraf’s government never exploited sectarian differences. If so, prove how.
And as far as the sectarian belonging of the Prophet (S.A.W.W.) is concerned, that is a very stupid question!
Asking for the sectarian belonging of the Prophet implies that there were other sects in his lifetime, which in turn means there must have been different Prophets for each sect because one Prophet would not have allowed other sects to form. Then why do all sects believe in one Prophet?
All sects started after the Prophet when people started deviating from the right path. Which sect is the right one then and did not deviate? Unfortunately, for that you will have to do some reading and research yourself rather than wasting time listening to the likes of Naik, Israr and Ghamdi whose only mission in life seems to be making Bani Umayya (L.A.) look like angels.
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@SAWJ
“Taliban not against Shias? Are you kidding me? Who the heck was then responsible for killing 70,000 Moosvi Syed Shias in Qandahar? Syeds! What was their crime? That they were Shia?”
I dont agree with taliban ideology but the above report has not fact.
“People who tolerate men like Israr, Ghamdi and Zakir Naik when they make fun of the Prophet’s family. ”
I still have to hear a lecture from the above mentioned Ulemas in which they have made fun of the Prophet(SAW)’s family.
issue of Yazid and using Rehmatullah Alaih as option or recent issue of Dr. Israr(controversy started when Qtv aired a 12 year old lecture) are academic in nature( and still i am waiting for an academic level reply, i have seen condemnation or demands of banning but no solid academic response).“And as far as the sectarian belonging of the Prophet (S.A.W.W.) is concerned, that is a very stupid question!”
Thats a very relevant question because if we understand this we will leave fiqha or maslak or any sectarian belonging and will finally come to Quran and true Deen.
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@ Faisal:
Since when does our religion depend on academics now? And even if it did, the academic response, given by prominent sunni mufti’s as well as shia’s, states that the hadith he quoted has been reported as a ‘munkir or ghareeb’ hadith at nine different instances in several sunni books because its reporter suffered from serious memory loss!
And if you talk of academics, do you know that Israr is NOT an academically qualified religious scholar, so how could you believe in him?
And it is indeed Ironic if you have’nt heard how Mr. Zakir Naik claimed that the battle of Karbala was political in nature and associated R.A with Yazid!
Stopping it here, this debate can be continued somewhere else as it is deviating from the topic we were supposed to be discussing here.
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@Ammar: All further religious comments should be immediately deleted.
One thing that I wish to highlight based on this is that a part of above discussion shows just how vulnerable we are as a nation. No where else have I seen Shia-Sunni relations as fragile as in Pakistan. Grow up people! There is so much in common that should be brought infront rather than fighting over differences.
Stick to the topic!
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@Faisal: To provide some proof to my first point and the Taliban animosity towards Shias:
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20070513/taliban_leader_070513?s_name=&no_ads=
http://www.pakistanlink.com/Letters/2001/Oct/26/07.html
http://www.hrw.org/reports98/afghan/Afrepor0-02.htm
http://hazara.net/taliban/genocide/genocide.html
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/news/2001/11/mil-011106-usia08.htm
http://www.rawa.org/mazar6.htm
Hazaras are a Shia tribe.
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